"The calendar is lyin' when it reads the present time."
(Phil Ochs song, "Here's to the State of Mississippi")
“The tradition has roots in patriarchal societies, where women were considered part of the father’s household until given to a husband. Marriage was often an economic or strategic alliance between families, not just a personal romantic decision.”
“This tradition became a gentlemanly custom by the 19th and early 20th centuries, where it was . . . more about honoring the family. By the late 20th century, particularly after the feminist movements of the 1960s – ’70s, it began to fade as a necessity, and today it’s seen by many as optional or symbolic rather than imperative.”
“Current Status in the U.S. and the West: Not a cultural imperative anymore. Some couples still practice it as a gesture of respect or family bonding, but many skip it altogether.”
What insane, odious, absurd, atavistic, humiliating, psychologically self-effacing, hidebound-to-our-ugly-and-pestilential-history custom is ChatGPT referring to?
“Overall Prevalence: A 2015 survey by The Knot found that 77% of grooms asked permission from the bride’s father or parents before proposing, up from 74% in 2013 and 71% in 2011. Millennial Trends: A survey conducted by JamesAllen.com in 2017 revealed that 63% of millennials asked a partner’s parent for permission before proposing, compared to only 20% of people over 45. Regional Variations: A 2024 survey by DatingNews.com found that nearly half (48%) of respondents in California would not ask for parental permission to wed, while in more conservative states like North Carolina and Utah, only 14% and 16% respectively would forgo this tradition.”
The statistics are much worse for Asia, much better for Europe.
Curse the MF Ball-less Lord of Freaks, what the hell is wrong with you people? Next to the self-rape that millions of MAGA folks perpetrate daily in their love of Prime Sociopath, this act may be what most boggles TPS’s mind. A client’s fiancée said that her mother was and is imperiously offended that the man didn’t seek her permission to marry her daughter. Struck stupid, I did my Chat research. There are 20% to 77% of men and the women ‘neath them, in present-day U.S., who ceremoniously or anxiously seek a parent’s approval to marry? There are this many (as opposed to not a goddamned one) men who first prostrate themselves upon the “Whalecum” redneck doormat of their fiancée’s fifteen-word-vocabulary father before sealing the deal with her? What kind of people am I looking at on my couch? The toxic umbilical cord that continues to bind most adult-children to their parents is one of the most powerful impediments to therapy. It prevents even the façade of autonomy and separateness that is necessary to be an adult and necessary to enable the deep, healing expression of childhood pain: Without the opted-for adult as guardian over the psyche, these inner-wilted clients will never dare to assert their anger, their grief, their equality. They crumple at the sight of their parent in their mind. They can never understand justice.
Let them never appeal to their partner’s or their own parent for any permissions. Let them lose their false, unthinking definition of “respect.” Let therapy rip the delusion of parental hegemony from their brains.